First, I believe that it’s time for clarity. I do not believe in amnesty. Yet as a person with actual experience in the past in rounding up illegals and trying to enforce current immigration law the fact is that the current proposed bill – which by the way no one has read in full – may be the best shot we have at reform.
“In 2006, with Republicans in control of the Senate, an immigration bill that was anathema to most Republicans passed the Senate by a filibuster-proof margin. Now, oddly enough, with Democrats in charge, the Senate is likely to approve an immigration bill–call it Kyl-Kennedy–that from a Republican perspective represents a major improvement over the earlier bill in almost every conceivable way.
We have three people to thank for this. The first is Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, who in January set in motion the process that led to the bipartisan compromise on immigration reached last week. The second is Arizona Republican senator Jon Kyl, who strongly opposed last year’s bill but basically wrote this year’s. The third is Democratic senator Ted Kennedy, who wanted a bill rather than an immigration club with which to bash President Bush and Republicans, and was willing to make concessions to get one.
Assuming the measure passes in Congress–a dicey assumption at this point–it should save Republicans from further erosion of support among Hispanics. This is crucial to Republican prospects for holding the White House in 2008 and recapturing Congress. The legislation will also give congressional Democrats a legislative achievement to tout. And it may give Bush, long an advocate of immigration reform, a political boost and jack up his approval rating.
But don’t be confused about whose bill this is: It’s not the White House’s. Soon after he became Republican leader, McConnell summoned the Republican senators most involved in the immigration debate. His first question was whether they wanted
to enact a bill in 2007. They did.After a few preliminary meetings, the senators asked if the White House wanted to be actively engaged in negotiations to fashion new legislation. The answer was yes. So two cabinet members, Michael Chertoff of Homeland Security and Carlos Gutierrez of Commerce, joined the sessions. And Chertoff became an especially important player.”
The long and short of it as it appears now, and by the way most people are reacting out of ignorance as the bill hasn’t even been debated on or finalized so we have only a general idea of what it will contain. But here are some key points Barnes makes:
“Restrictionists agree with Kyl on border security. What they fail to understand is that a bill merely beefing up security cannot pass either a Democratic or a Republican Congress. Restrictionists actually get the kind of border buildup they want in the Kyl-Kennedy bill. Their objection is to what comes with it: the immediate “work authorization” allowing the 12 million to be legally employed, visas permitting them to remain indefinitely, and a path to citizenship.”
This is where most of the anger of course is pointed – amnesty. Those who want borders secured and then mass deportation have received one of their points, but will have to understand the other is impossible. As much as I agree that if you are hear without authorization you go home, I’m telling you, it’s not possible from a law enforcement perspective. Ask any police officer, trooper, or FBI agent you want, “Ain’t happening”, at least not in the way the current laws exist. Even Michelle Malkin agrees that the current enforcement matrix is FUBAR.
So then the question, “What to do?” First, of course the border issue needs I believed to be nailed down – literally. However, this is going to take years to implement. Why is that? Do you live where they’re building highways? How long has that been going on? Nuff said. It’s a bitch, but it’s reality folks.
But as convoluted as it is, it’s the easy part. The hard part and sticking point has always been what to do about the 12 million who are already here embedded in the populace? Again, mass deportation isn’t happening. So what are YOU going to do? Without the deportation the only option is to make it worthwhile for them to first find out where they are, then make it easy for them to come forward and get either legal or get out. That’s what we’ll know in the finalized bill when it comes out.
Yet again, the current problem is with enforcement of existing laws which are so convoluted and wrought with loopholes that as I said before most law enforcement has enacted a “hands off” approach. The problem isn’t law enforcement, it’s having clear and precise laws to enforce.
Again, this is a more than fourty year old problem and you aren’t going to fix it in one bill or two. That’s why I’ve said from the beginning that the two sides of the question (border security/deportation) and (leave ‘em alone and let ‘em work) will not have their way completely. Some sort of middle ground has to be reached.
Once again, I don’t like what I see in the current bill, but then I – like everone else – haven’t seen the entire package. On Monday the debate begins and more and more details will be coming out.
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shm10
May 19th, 2007 at 9:18 am
1I could not agree more Mac.
If there was ever a “perfect” bill which was signed into law in this country I do not know what it was. You can never please everyone.
While there are facets of the preliminary reports of this legilation with which I disagree I cannot see abandoning the Republican party as an option.
This bill as with all others will be revised and debated and may not even pass in both Houses.
I read a great comment somewhere this past week that it would be nice to see this much anger over the lack of funding for our troops..I’ll second that and hold my powder dry on this immigration legislation until I see the product which could become law.
darwin
May 19th, 2007 at 9:29 am
2You don’t need law enforcement to do anything. Crack down on businesses, deny benefits … and illegals will be forced to leave. The proposed border security is a joke. The whole propsed bill is a joke.
Everyone is looking at this from a political angle … that’s where they’re wrong. The American people aren’t. They want the border secured NOW, and incentives stopped. There is absolutely nothing that is stopping the government from doing what the people demand … except politics.
Our representatives haven’t a clue.
jrooney
May 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
3Darwin,
The current bill raises the fine to an employer for hiring an illegal from $3000 to $75,000. Yes, that is right, 25 times more than before. Sounds like they are planning on cracking down on the employers to me. I think evryone should hold their powder because all the facts are not known yet.
darwin
May 19th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
4$75,000 is a good start … if it’s enforced. Plus secure the damn border, and deny benefits. There should be no reason to stay if all the freebies are gone and there’s no work. I’ll gladly pay higher costs. Anyone that wants citizenship can get to the back of the line.
Another issue that needs immediate resolvement is the “anchor baby” problem. If you are here as a guest worker and have a child, it shouldn’t automatically qualify for US citizenship.
The majority of our representaives are impossibly deaf, dumb and blind as to how most Americans feel on this issue. It’s simply astounding.
They either get control now, or the Southwest and other areas will simply become third world hellholes surviving on the public dole.
Marilyn
May 20th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
5Has anyone noticed that we have anarchy in this country? It began in the 50′s and 60′s when “Civil Rights” leaders preached that black folk didn’t have to obey laws that they didn’t like. After gaining their “Civil Rights” they began to demand special privileges and got them. Then other “deprived” groups demanded special rights too. Then we started having local elected officials deliberately disobeying laws approved by a majority of voters in their areas. Marrying same sex couples and granting tax payer paid benefits to these “domestic partners.” and judges started allowing perverts (same sex couples) to adopt innocent children who were too young to tell and had no say in what was being done to them.Then Cities and towns decided, and have openly declared, that they would not enforce federal immigration laws. Millions of illegal immigrants have flooded across our borders and taken up residence, bankrupcted our hospitals and social services, overcrowed our schools and demanded special second language education. All at US taxpayer’s expense. Now we have millions of Illegals taking American’s jobs at substandard wages, overcrowding our prison systems, driving drunk and without licenses, killing our citizens, and more flood in every day. Illegals who are caught fail to show up for their court deportation hearings and Our government tells us that it is out of control, immigration and border control people are overwhelmed, and they can’t do anything about it. In addition we have a double standard criminal justice system which discriminates against whites by declaring name calling by whites as hate crimes while allowing our public education system to mentally abuse white children by teaching them that their race and ancestors were responsible for all the ills of the world, past and present, while glorifying “civilizations” which practiced canabalism, invented slavery, and genocided rival tribes.
We now have between 12 and 50 million aliens living amongst us who know that they can get away with anything and because they are undocumented nobody will do anything about it. They know this because their very presence here is illegal and our government says it is ok. We now have violent illegal alien gangs raping, robbing and killing US citizens on a daily basis.
If this is not anachry I wish someone would tell me what it is. And it is not going to get any better until we start enforcing all our laws regardless of race, national origon and protected group status.
Remember Matthew Shephard is deified as a Martyr who was killed by Homophobic red necks. But nobody ever mentions Jesse Dirkingshen, the 13 yr. old boy who was bound and sodomized for hours by two gay “Domestic partners” until he was smothered by his underwear which had been stuffed in his mouth. Or any of the other children who have been molested and murdered by homosexual perverts. All we ever hear about is the one Queer who was killed by two rednecks. The hundreds of child victims of these perverts are never mentioned and if you dare to do it, you are immediately labeled a gay bashing homophobeand held up for ridicule and possible prosecution.
It appears that we all really do need a gun and plenty of ammunition. If we don’t protect ourselves and our children nobody else is going to.
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