while most polls show that americans support this bill stating it as such is lying by telling half truths. what 72% of all americans said was that this bill or any other did not have their support unless the border was completely secured before consideration of said bills. they were very clear upon further questioning that they were not talking about “triggers”. they meant the entire border was sealed to the naked eye, ie fencing of some sort before proceeding. not the wink and nod triggers of all prior bill dating from 1965. we are in this horrible situation because politicians simply refuse to close the border. how anyone of more than a double digit IQ would believe that this bill would close the border as written is delusional.

do you really want a/this bill to pass in a landslide?

—build a fence from stem to stern across the border grinding walk in illegal immigration to a halt.

—americans would then pass virtually any bill written as long as they know the “swarm” is over, once and for all.

all this other jib jab is excuse making and BS. the majority of americans are against this bill, not because of how it is written, but because they know from 40 years of experience the border enforcement issues will never be addressed.

Personally, I am sick of all who are demanding that they have the power to dictate to the country and to the President…and their ingratitude to this President is astounding to me.

The general direction of what the American public wants seems to be clear. The real question is figuring out how to make it work. This bill may not be it, but making it work is going to be long, tough, and there will be a Republican civil war over it.

The wording is meaningless. Fact is that when you don’t enforce the law, it becomes unenforceable.

That said, we agree that something needs to be done on immigration and about the “estimated” 12-15 million here.

The point is that this bill as it is isn’t it. The so-called “enforcement” provisions are an undoable sham as written.

Again, you need to read the posts. I am married to an immigrant and work with immigrants. All of which tell me that they resent – yes resent the fact that others will be given a pass where they had to work for what they have.

Again, all that “market economics” is a smoke screen to the real issues that whether or not we will fix a system that is broken, while enforcing the laws already on the books.

This approach marries enforcement and rationalization of a broken system. No compromise is easy but the so-called conservative movement has gone unhinged on this. Let’s be clear, conservative opposition is nothing but a poorly disguied attempt to say deportation or nothing. Pragmatic compromise to achieve conservative policy goals, secure borders, though maybe not absolute, a more logical immigration system and a system that rewards, not punishes, work used to be the way to achieve the conservative agenda. Not now.

Ronald Reagan, the real one, not the myth that so many conservatives hold so dear, would be laughing at this argument. He’d be in favor of fixing a bad system, letting violators pay a reasonable penalty and get to work creating a better America for all, not just those of a certain ethnicity.

History has not be kind to the political party that is anti-immigrant (not I am not excusing their illegal status, I think the punishment should fit the crime). The know-nothings and their successors in the republican pary lost the Irish vote for over 100 years. The Republicans lost the vote of the Chinese over immigration. Luckily, the Italians were not well organized politically or the Republicans would still be trying to win them back.