***Bumped****As a result of today’s failure of key amendments the vote tomorrow is likely to fall short of the 60 needed, see update below
Spells doom for the (A) bill down the road…
“Though the Senate voted Tuesday to bring President Bush’s immigration reform bill back to the Senate floor, objections to any of two dozen amendments to be debated starting Wednesday could kill the bill for the year.
And even as the Senate moved forward, House Republicans late Tuesday voted overwhelmingly in favor of a resolution opposing the immigration bill — a move that could place a significant roadblock in front of the measure even if it clears the Senate.
By a vote of 114-23, the House Republican Conference approved a statement by Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan that simply read: “Resolved: The House GOP Conference disapproves of the Senate immigration bill.” The vote came during a closed-door meeting.
The lack of Republican support could doom the immigration bill because House Democratic leaders have previously said they would not bring it to the House floor unless at least 70 of the 201 GOP members were on board.”
House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said, “It’s clear that there is a large number of House Republicans who have serious concerns with the Senate bill.”
Additionally polls like this CNN poll conducted here still show a majority of Americans against the the bill.
“A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Monday showed 47 percent of Americans opposed the bill, while 30 percent supported it and 19 percent said they didn’t know enough about it to make a judgment. The poll’s sampling error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.
However, the poll found a significant division among opponents of the immigration plan. About 28 percent said they were opposed because it did too much to help illegal immigrants, but 15 percent said they were opposed because it did too little.”
In either case it’s still NOT what the people want. But what this isn’t about what the American people want but what special interest groups with big bucks want.
I’ve been watching the CSPAN coverage of the debate, and it’s apparant as noted here that Harry Reid is using near unconstitutional methods to get the bill passed. This may be a way that the bill’s legality could be challenged in court if it were to pass into law.
On CSPAN tune in as laster on Senator Jeff Sessions will be getting the floor for about an hour. Sessions is a strong, coherant and passionate against this bill. We need far more of him and less of the (A) bill eight that voted yea on cloture yesterday.
Nevertheless the House republicans are built with better stuff and than the RINOS that have infested the Senate. Thus the bill won’t ever get out of the House as is.
UPDATE: Capt Ed also following the Reid circus.
UPDATE: Second Vote on Cloture tomorrow has been dealt a severe blow:
“U.S. Sen. Pete Domenici has decided he won‚Äôt support an immigration proposal he helped draft because amendments he believes are critical won‚Äôt be approved.
In response to a question, Domenici’s office confirmed for me moments ago that he no longer supports the bill.
The GOP senator‚Äôs decision came after the Senate, on a vote of 53-45, rejected earlier today an amendment proposed by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, that would have required all adult illegal immigrants to return home within two years to qualify for permanent legal status in the United States. The bill requires only heads of households to return to their home countries to apply for legal status.”
This is a hugh hit as many of the “switchers” switched pending the Hutchinson amendment. Among them Webb, Coleman and Ensign as well as Brownback. This will take the vote – providing there are no other switchers – below 60 and thus bill is DOA.
UPDATE II: More trouble, via the Politico:
“Proponents of the Senate immigration bill were unable to block an amendment Wednesday on identification requirements, casting doubt on whether the overall measure will clear a crucial test vote set for Thursday morning.
The bill survived its first cloture motion Tuesday by a vote of 64 to 35. Only five senators would need to change their position for the bill to collapse Thursday.
It just so happens that four senators who voted Tuesday to move the bill forward have since seen the Senate reject their amendments, potentially moving some of them into the “no” column. The list includes Sen. Kit Bond (R-Mo.), Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT), Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ).
At least one of them, Webb, has indicated that he is a likely to oppose the bill.
Menendez has not made a decision, his spokesman said. Dodd’s office did not respond to a request for comment. Bond was reportedly moving against the bill.
And a fifth senator, Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), said he would vote against cloture.
“It’s a tight vote,” said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), the chief Democratic negotiator. “We are going to work, and work hard.”
This is large change from Sunday when Senator “Plunk ‘em and Leave ‘em” was proudly proclaming from Sunday news shows that the votes were a lock.
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Harold C. Hutchison
June 27th, 2007 at 10:44 am
1So we have the hard left and hard right opposing this bill. The center seems to like it.
I get the feeling we’re running into a very polarized America – and I’m not sure that beating this bill will be good for the country in the long run.
CatoRenasci
June 27th, 2007 at 11:00 am
2There is an historical analogy that is apt: in the 1850s, the Whig party broke up, largely over slavery, and the Republican party emerged from the ruins, to win the election in 1860.
Illegal immigration is as divisive an issue as slavery, for similar reasons – it cuts across party lines and reflects a very fundamental concern for the nature of our political and civic institutions.
The Republicans have utterly squandered their mandate – Congressionally through a combination of corruption and timidity in the face of the Democrats, and Presidentially through a combination of an utter failure to communicate to the American people on the most important issue of our time – the War – and an utter failure to listen to the American people on the second most important issue of our time (and really a subset of the first) – illegal immigration.
The current Republican party will not regain control of either house of Congress, and is very unlikely to win the Presidency in 2008. The only question is whether a new party emerges this year as an alternative or we wait until after a disasterous 2008 to reorganize.
(and I’ve worked for every Republican since IKE in 1956!)
Macranger
June 27th, 2007 at 11:31 am
3Cato,
I agree that there is a bit of a rift in the National GOP, but as you know, “All politics are local” and here in the SF GOP we are pretty much in lockstep in opposition on this bill. Fact is that we are pretty much amazed at the fact it got this far.
But like in 1976 when the last rift brough us Reagan, perhaps it will bring us another in the not too distant future.
Harold C. Hutchison
June 27th, 2007 at 11:46 am
4It says something when Rudy Giuliani seems to be the one Republican who might be the most capable of uniting the GOP.
pagar
June 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
5What center likes this bill? The center of the Communist Party. This bill is a disgrace to America.
Buck Naked Politics
June 28th, 2007 at 6:00 am
6Immigration Bill Faces Another Vote…
The immigration bill, which compelled thousands of Americans to stockpile pitchforks and torches for a march on Washington, faces a make or break Senate vote today (Washington Post). Watching it all unfold was like watching sky-bound pigs glide toward …
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