Comments on: The (A) Bill is dead, long live a better bill

By: DubiousD

DubiousD — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:40:13 +0000

Well, if anyone really cares about the GWOT and like issues, they’d better stick with the Republicans. The alternative is to let the GOP lose big in 2008 and usher in a new Clinton era with Dems remaining in control of both Houses, which inevitably would lead the US to defeat in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Anyone who allows that to happen IS an extremist… and that includes the pro-Amnesty types still bitching over the fact that they didn’t get their way this time around. Get over it. And get over yourselves. If Churchill was willing to ally with Stalin to defeat Hitler, you “moderates” can certainly find it within yourselves to suck it up and work with the cranky GOP right-wingers like Tancredo if the ultimate goal is keeping America safe.

By: A Blog For All

A Blog For All — Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:49:24 +0000

Immigration Bill Dies Again…

The immigration bill died yet again. Down in flames might be an apt analogy, but this is the bill of the living dead – it keeps managing to come back to life despite the overwhelming failures and inadequacies to deal with the issues at hand – securin…..

By: pagar

pagar — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:54:56 +0000

It was a bad bill with absolutely no, nada, not any protection for America and yet the Americans who opposed it are supposed to tone down their criticism. Why is that? People aren’t supposed to defend their country? Sen Brownback started the vote with a Aye and than changed to a Nay.
Doesn’t sound like abuse to me, I’d rather think he decided that the right vote for America was Nay. I’m just sorry that a lot of other Americans apparently don’t think this bill was bad.

By: Harold C. Hutchison

Harold C. Hutchison — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:16:27 +0000

Habanero:

Nutty? No, AJ’s talking sense… he’s also someone the GOP should be able to count on to at the very least vote Republican without having to be cajoled or the subject of a GOTV operation. He’s pro-life, he’s pro-winning the GWOT, he even feels Tom DeLay was Nifonged.

But as it stands right now, the GOP has probably lost him over the immigration issue (and some other stuff). MacRanger has emphasized that those who disagreed with him on this were not evil quislings trying to help Jorge Bush sell out the United States to Mexico and create the North American Union.

However, he is the exception, not the rule. Other than a too-little, too-late column from Hugh Hewitt, I haven’t seen people have tried to tone down the criticism of other Republicans and conservatives like Sam Brownback, Linda Chavez and others who have taken a lot of abuse over this.

Some, like AJ-Strata, are either bailing out or considering it. Me? I might try to scrape a small donation to the Republican Leadership Council. I’m certainly going to be looking into other moderate Republican groups as well. Conservatism is in the doghouse with me – and will be for a while.

By: habanero

habanero — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:50:45 +0000

Harold

If you don’t want to end up sounding as nutty as AJ, you might want to think about dropping the Ted Kennedy talking points. Repeating Kennedy’s talking points makes you soound as out of touch with reality as Marie Antoinette.

By: Harold C. Hutchison

Harold C. Hutchison — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:20:46 +0000

For Enforcement:
We went from 21% in 1996 to 40-44% in 2004. The numbers were increasing until 2006.

By: For Enforcement

For Enforcement — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:44:19 +0000

From above
“And we‚Äôre gonna pay a price – the conservative opposition has managed to drive Hispanics to the Democrats.”
When did the Republicans have the Hispanics? wouldn’t it have been a short ride over to the Dimmicrats where they actually were already holed up?
The way I see it, they prevented the Dims from getting an even larger number of hispanic voters. 80% of 12 million is a lot of Dim voters. The hispanic vote isn’t moving and hasn’t moved.

By: pagar

pagar — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:39:27 +0000

I don’t think that any Hispanic voter who thinks family values is an issue, has gone to the Democrats, because no one in the Democratic field has any family values. The article cited is a USA Today article. I just don’t understand how any American of any race could say that we need to accept the bill that was voted on today.
No one even knew what was in the bill.

By: Iowa Voice » » Bloggers React To Amnesty Bill Defeat

Iowa Voice » » Bloggers React To Amnesty Bill Defeat — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:27:33 +0000

[...] Macsmind: “The (A) Bill is dead, long live a better bill.” Don’t give them any ideas! They didn’t need to write a bill in the first place, they need to enforce the law, period! [...]

By: Harold C. Hutchison

Harold C. Hutchison — Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:15:55 +0000

No, Mac, I don’t think they will. If Jon Kyl can be savaged for trying to find common ground – even if it is not regular order, no Republican will cross the columnists and talk-show hosts. We just kicked the can for a decade. No enforcement-only bill will pass the Senate. Lindsey Graham was right – the Dems hold the chairmanships and the majority. They dictate the terms.

We had a chance for a better bill last year – and the House Republicans aagin listened to the columnists and talk show hosts, and proceeded to take theirball and go home rather than work out a compromise with the Senate.

And we’re gonna pay a price – the conservative opposition has managed to drive Hispanics to the Democrats. I was saying it. The Wall Street Journal was saying it… but I guess conservatives weren’t willing to listen.

Worse yet, conservatism’s lost a fair bit of trust from me. Townhall.com let’s fantasies of assassinating a U.S. Attorney stay up, even after they were informed by my co-blogger at Called as Seen. Worse yet, after bad-mouthing the Administration on border security, they then claim the Administration has a credibility problem on the issue.

I can’t work with folks like that. I’m not at AJ-Strata’s level, but this has me just fuming. I’m thinking of myself as more of a Donald Bellisario Republican than a conservative these days. They’re asking me to cross several bridges too far.