Another page, via the LA Times….
“A former House page says he had sex with then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) after receiving explicit e-mails in which the congressman described assessing the sexual orientation and physical attributes of underage pages but waiting until later to make direct advances.
The former page, who agreed to discuss his relationship with Foley with the Los Angeles Times on the condition that he not be identified, said his electronic correspondence with Foley began after he finished the respected Capitol Hill page program for high school juniors. His sexual encounter was in the fall of 2000, he said. At the time, he was 21 and a graduate of a rural Northeastern college.
“I always knew you were a player but I don’t fool around with pages,” declared one instant message from Maf54, a screen name Foley used in exchanges that have become public involving male former pages.
The former page’s account is consistent with Foley’s assertion that he did not have sexual relations with minors, an issue that will be key to determining whether he committed crimes. The legal age of consent varies from state to state; in the District of Columbia, where the pages live in supervised dormitories, it is 16.”
More pages, no doubt the “page” flood gates are opening. The problem is with the anonymity. The question is just WHO is this page, and how do we know what we are hearing is true?
First, don’t you think that – if true – Foley ‘prowled the halls of congress’ we would have heard something long before now? I mean, the creep was in congress for twelve years. You mean to tell me that this page – now twenty seven – comes forward NOW to tell his story? But there are other flags to his story.
“Yet the former page’s exchanges with Foley offer a glimpse of possible predatory behavior by the congressman as he assessed male teenagers assigned as House errand-runners.
In the messages, Maf54 described how years earlier, he had looked to see whether the former page had an erection in his tight white pants while the then-teenager was working near the congressman. Maf54 also speculated about the sexual attributes of other males in the same page class, including the observation that one young man was “well hung.”
Foley abruptly resigned his House seat Sept. 29, after the disclosure of sexually oriented messages to former pages. Other messages were subsequently divulged, and questions concerning how much House Republican leaders knew about Foley and his interest in pages are being investigated by the House Ethics Committee. Foley is now in seclusion in an alcohol treatment facility, and his lawyer has declined to answer questions about specific pages.
The FBI has begun contacting former pages, and at least one ‚Äî a deputy campaign manager for Rep. Ernest Istook, an Oklahoma Republican who is running for governor there ‚Äî has hired a criminal defense lawyer, according to a published report. Istook issued a statement last week urging the media to protect the young man’s privacy after his name was briefly posted on the ABC News website.
The former page interviewed by The Times said he had not been contacted by the FBI or the House Ethics Committee. He agreed to talk to The Times only if his identity was protected, because of his fear that exposure could hurt his job prospects.”
Note that Edmund hired a “criminal defense attorney’, and I love the “urging the media to protect the young man’s privacy”, yeah, like with threatening letters. I’m all for protecting any of Foley’s “victims”, but this kid sound more like subject than a victim.
Additionally, this page claims that his experience occured during his “junior” year in school while a page which would put it around 1996. Now I have a lot of “legacy software”, and America Online’s “Instant Messenger” for certain in it’s capabities were limited, in fact it wasn’t released until May of 1997. At the very least it wasn’t until version 2.0 that it had close to the capabilities shown here.
Again, I’m not defending Foley, or challenging the vercactiy of any of these witnesses. But if they were this concerned they should have spoken before now, and they should be talking with the FBI, not the LA Times.
UPDATE: Oak Leaf at Polipundit, “Please explain, why did they kill a tree to publish this????”
Heh…
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clarice
October 8th, 2006 at 8:06 am
1At last Mark Steyn:
“In London, sex scandals come along every other week. You name it, British parliamentarians do it: three-in-a-bed, auto-erotic asphyxiation, gay teen flagellation, getting your toes sucked while wearing the soccer kit of Chelsea Football Club. But at least at Westminster, sex scandals require actual sex. That the governing party of the world’s only superpower could be felled by one creepy pervert’s masturbatory e-mails and IMs is an event historians will marvel at. Granted that the Roman Empire in its death throes got hung up on gay sex, the American hyperpower seems set to be the first to collapse over gay non-sex.
And no, I’m not a “typical right-wing pedophile apologist” excusing Foley. But, in case you haven’t noticed, he’s gone. He quit quicker than his instant message. And, true, he’s since done the usual contemptible redemption shtick, announcing he’s going into alcohol rehab, etc., when the reality is he’d be a better man if he drank more and IMed teens about the size of their wedding tackle less. And yes, he’ll get a book deal, just like New Jersey’s revolting ex-governor. But no one will buy the book — and besides, what do you want? When a member of the House of Lords went abroad after a homosexual scandal, King George V is said to have remarked, “Good God, I thought fellows like that shot themselves.” It may, indeed, be a less revolting spectacle for a chap to take a tumbler of whiskey and a loaded revolver into his study than to go on “Oprah” and bore on about his personal demons, abusive father, etc., etc. But we live in different times. Foley’s history; he’s the first footnote in history to a page in history. So the only question now is whether there is any larger issue here worth spending 10 minutes on.
And the answer to that is obvious. This was a honey trap (as they used to say in the Cold War) designed to leverage one peripheral figure’s squalid fantasies into political opportunity. It’s as predictable as the leaves falling from the trees, except that it only occurs every other autumn. Still, I take my hat off to the media and Democratic Party. Indeed, in the spirit of Bill Clinton, I take my pants off to them. It is a remarkable achievement to have transformed, in little more than a week, the GOP into the Catholic Diocese of Boston with Speaker Hastert as Cardinal Law and the page program as the massed ranks of 7-year-old altar boys. What an awesome force the Dems would be if only the ruthless skill and cunning that went into this operation could be applied to, say, national security.
But I very much doubt, despite the expertise with which the sheep have been rounded up and set baa-ing, that Showtime at the Foley Bergere will pay off in November. ”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/87789,CST-EDT-STEYN08.article
perdogg
October 8th, 2006 at 8:23 am
2Mac,
I am not clear about Aol’s IM. When I was in College in 1996, AOL did have IM. I am not sure what IM capabilities people are talking about.
I remember there were chat rooms and IMs on AOL in 1995/1996.
I am not believing anything a page says until I see the IMs.
owl
October 8th, 2006 at 11:11 am
3Still, I take my hat off to the media and Democratic Party. Indeed, in the spirit of Bill Clinton, I take my pants off to them. It is a remarkable achievement to have transformed, in little more than a week, the GOP into the Catholic Diocese of Boston with Speaker Hastert as Cardinal Law and the page program as the massed ranks of 7-year-old altar boys. What an awesome force the Dems would be if only the ruthless skill and cunning that went into this operation could be applied to, say, national security.
Steyn….how can this man sum it all up in 4 sentences?
Wonder what would happen if Steyn gave permission to have his article stay on top of all blogs that agreed with him? At the same time for a few days? Someone needs to figure a way to put this back at the MSM…in their faces. Mark Steyn said it much better, but I have been saying for 4 years that we do NOT have to worry about Dems. They have nothing to offer and have become so French. We have to find a better way to block the Dem’s rocket launchers(MSM).
Sarah Green
October 8th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
4Mac,
Have you seen this (via commenter Merlin at AJ’s)?
The page’s parents emailed the Foley emails to Trandahl!! So there’s another copy floating around. Maybe that’s the copy we’re looking at!
http://www.goedwardsville.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17296433&BRD
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