*****Major UPDATE ****
Along with participation of CREW in the handling of the IMs, I’ve discovered another uber leftwing principal who also admits to having copies of the IMs and emails before they were posted, see below:
I’ve moved on to a new thread to keep up with the developments in the Foley story. What we know so far is that several principals, such as CREW, and ABC knowingly withheld information about Rep. Foley and had done so for many months, if not years before this story came to light. In light of that the FBI will be investigating. While the left wants us to believe that there was some sort of conspiracy involved, where GOP leadership hid the dirty truth about Foley, that simply isn’t feasible at this point.
According to sources involved in the investigation investigators will also be looking at who had copies of the IMs and emails and purposely held them for all this time. As obtaining evidence and witholding it is a federal offense, the focus of the investigation will be to the outside.
“Speaker Dennis Hastert asks a question I essentially posed earlier in the day:
Since the communications appear to have existed for three years, there should be an investigation into the extent there are persons who knew or had possession of these messages but did not report them to the appropriate authorities,” the letter from Mr. Hastert [to the Justice Department] said. “ It is important to know who may have had the communications and why they were not given to prosecutors before now.
I don‚Äôt believe in coincidence, and apparently neither does Hastert. The timing of this revelation has more to do about helping Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrats than protecting teenagers with whom Foley was communicating. What else explains the delay? I remain extremely curious about who had the instant messages, when they received them, from whom they received them, and how they became public only now. As in the Valerie Plame matter, where several news outlets helped the likes of Charles Schumer to perpetuate lies about the White House and encouraged his demand for a special counsel, some reporters (probably including Brian Ross of ABC News) know who and what are behind the timing of the Foley revelation and are protecting that aspect of the story to prevent the complete facts from becoming public until after the election ‚Äì that is, after the political damage has been done.”
Additionally at least one democratic member of congress had specific knowledge of the emails prior to their release last week, and while no names have been given out, one only has to look at the Melanie Sloan’s bio to get some idea.
More as the day progresses.
UPDATE I: Hotair is noting possible “doctoring” in some of the emails. UPDATE: More on the possible Dan Rathering here
UPDATE II: Interesting how the blog, Stop Sex Predators that appears to have started it all, l hasn’t had a post since September 29th. Even more surprising is the “secrecy” of the person that started the blog. That may be about to change. I’ll let you know.
Additionally I am performing some examinations of my own on the exhibits of emails posted that blog. There appears to be some type of “doctoring” of the “From” address. Check them for yourself. There is very definitely some overwriting taking place, but it’s unclear if it were just for clarity, or for other reasons. Notice that it appears some other printing underneath.
UPDATE II: They’re may be a possibilty that the one who runs Blog Active.com, and the one who runs Stop Sex Predators may be one in the same. That may be Mike Rogers, the infamous Gay Republican Outer.
“Well the good news is that the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is finally getting it. I called their Director of Communications, Bill Burton, to let him know that the Foley thing (and another case) were coming down the pike. While Burton promised to have someone email or return my call and didn’t, I am glad he followed up on my call and was ready on Friday to come out of the gate running.
The bad new is they are still not paying enough attention… There are others within reach… If the Democrats would only fight half as hard as the Republicans”
Rogers is miffed that the DCCC has been deleting his posts. No wonder as even they sense a major backfire if it get’s out that this was all a “Gay Republican Outing” that netted more than it bargained for.
Rogers seemingly isn’t ashamed to take the credit, per a post he made at the DCCC before it was deleted:
“Very exciting.
I am glad my work on this is finally coming to fruition. I spoke with Bill Burton at the DCCC about this and I’m so glad you guys were able to jump in on the heels of my work.
Obviously we didn’t have a chance of winning this seat, so this is great.
Good Job!
Mike Rogers
Blogactive.comPosted by: Mike Rogers | September 29, 2006 09:55 PM
Note Rogers warns about another case coming “down the pike”. Of course these revelations migh just sideline that severely.
Fact is that Rogers admits to being in possession of the IM’s BEFORE they were posted on the web via his own comments on his site:
“As people know, it’s not always possible for me to disclose my role in some of the activities.
I can say this. I had the emails before they were on the net. Additionally, I had the additional emails, written by the page to a friend. The story was being written by a number of outlets and I provided additional information to reporters involved in the breaking of this story.
Was the central figure in reporting on Foley’s latest scandal? Never said I was. Was my work on the case important to helping make sure it came out before the election? Yes.
Did I have any idea that the GOP leadership was engaged in a cover-up? Nope. Do I love the fact that they are trying to spin this as ‘naughty emails?’ Yup. because it shows how out of tought they are about queer closet cases.”
Similarly there is a promise of that “down the pike” story:
“While the Foley scandal is great news for the Dems in Nov. John, when will we see the much touted outing of the Mystery Senator? This would be a great time to do it.. Give the Repubs the old one two punch!”
This of course refers to Rogers prior blackmailing of an unnamed Republican Senator back in January. In any case I imagine that as the “agenda” is exposed, the Democrats most likely will seen as the losers in the exchange, a fact the DCCC is already acknowledging.
UPDATE III: The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz writes today:
“On Friday afternoon, a strategist for Rep. Mark Foley tried to cut a deal with ABC’s Brian Ross.
The correspondent, who had dozens of instant messages that Foley sent to teenage House pages, had asked to interview the Florida Republican. Foley’s former chief of staff said the congressman was quitting and that Ross could have that information exclusively if he agreed not to publish the raw, sexually explicit messages.
“I said we’re not making any deals,” Ross recalls. He says the Internet made the story possible, because on Thursday he posted a story on his ABC Web page, the Blotter, after obtaining one milder e-mail that Foley had sent a 16-year-old page, asking for a picture. Within two hours, former pages had e-mailed Ross and provided the salacious messages. The only question then, says Ross, was “whether this could be authenticated.”
To some this seems to put a damper on a conspiracy theory of Ross (as if he hadn’t manufactured stories in the past), but the issue is WHO gave them to him and how long did he have them for. We have some of that answered now as it’s apparent that CREW was Ross’s source and that both seemed to have conspired to hold the story - for some reason - until now.
UPDATE IV: Gateway Pundit has more from Mike Roger’s “mission” to out Rep. Foley.
Now let me clarify again my position. As former law enforcement, a father and grandfather, I have ZERO tolerance for sexual predators. But in that same light I have absolutely no tolerance for cheap shots and thats who Mike Roger’s is, a cheap shot who evidently found a gold mine, and instead of bringing the issue to authorities he along with accomplises aforementioned conspired to withhold this information. As Gateway Pundit puts it:
“Foley abused his position and may have been involved in criminal activity. Democrats knew this for over a year. With 6 weeks before the November elections, they broke the dam loose!”
UPDATE V: This new Democratic Playbook using the Foley story, and in essence exploiting his victims, is far too orchestrated to have just been “put together”. Things that make you go “Hmmmmmmm”.
UPDATE VI: Well, now it appears that other pages are disputing Matthew Loraditch’s assertions. Told you so. Additionally, Brian Ross is asking for other pages to tell their story too, and guess what, stories are coming in involving other members of Congress, including - sources say - an old familiar name.
No Response
kathie
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:32 am
1Suppose the IM’s went to a bogus page as a set up for Foley?
Carol Johnson
October 2nd, 2006 at 7:51 am
2Hmmmm…here’s something that’s related and interesting.
…..
via link at Drudge Report -
“Authorities seek blogger who posted sex gossip
Associated Press
Oct. 1, 2006 03:40 PM
ATHENS, Ga. - Authorities are searching for whomever posted a long list and description of supposed sexual encounters between dozens of high school students on the online networking site MySpace.com.
Oconee County Sheriff’s officials said they were investigating who posted the gossip about North Oconee High School students Sept. 1-9. Since gossip isn’t a crime, the sheriff’s report lists the offense as distributing obscene materials to minors. The list describes sexual encounters and could be accessed by people younger than 18.
“There’s a lot of difference between writing on a bathroom wall and distributing it all over the world on the Internet where anyone has access to it,” Lt. David Kilpatrick told the Athens Banner-Herald for a story published Sunday.”
…..
Hmmm…Brian Ross, your lawyer on line 2.
Carol
clarice
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:16 am
3http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5909
Harold C. Hutchison
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:56 am
4I think the fallout is going to leave both sides looking very bad…
The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » Did The Left Hide A Crime For Political Gain?
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:28 am
5[...] More at Mac Ranger’s site on the disturbing revelations that some on the left may have had detailed knowledge of Rep Folely’s crimes and hid them in order to use the revelations for partisan gain at a later date. While Folely was exploiting children to satisfy a sick, personal desire, anyone who allowed the continued exploitation of children for political gain is just as much a criminal as Folely. And maybe even more so. How could anyone let a child suffer so they could use the suffering months (and maybe years) later for their own purposes? If ever there was complicancy in a criminal act, this is it. It is not necessary for the Folely to know about these acts of covering the crime to make them any less criminal. For once, and for the country, I hope this is not what happened. If our political discourse has sunk to this kind of low, then we as a nation are in serious trouble. And we have been brought to this ugly point by ugly acts from all corners of our political leadership. [...]
Carol Johnson
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:21 am
6Clarice,
Nancy Pelosi is “demanding?” that the House leadership be placed under oath? Why not just go the whole enchilada and demand lie-detector tests, but just for Republicans? We already know that Democrats lie through their teeth ALL the time anyway…so no need to go there!
/sarc off/
Carol
QT Monster's Place
October 2nd, 2006 at 10:43 am
7Republicans Need to Hang Tough…
The survival of the country is at stake in this election as it was in the past two. Where ex-Rep. Foley is concerned, watch for the Democrats to over reach in their reaction to this scandal in their quest to win majorities in the House/Senate in this e…
Sister Toldjah » Foleygate: The Democrats’ October surprise? (UPDATE III - 3:08 PM)
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:09 pm
8[...] Update III: Macsmind is still all over this story and is smelling a setup. [...]
Stop The ACLU
October 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pm
9Mark Foley Flashback: If I Were One Of Those Sickos…
Update: The problems compound; as Foley checks into alcohol rehab.
Were Foley’s emails altered??? Looks quite likely. Strange stuff. Strange stuff indeed. So now…which party knew about this and sat on it until election time? Macranger…
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Source of Foley e-mails identified?
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:12 pm
10[...] Maybe. Maybe. Keep scrolling until you reach Update II. [...]
Flopping Aces - Backup: Foleygate Has Begun
October 2nd, 2006 at 2:54 pm
11[...] Foleygate Has Begun I have redirected traffic from my main blog post at http://www.floppingaces.net to this backup blogger page since my server has just about exploded from the LGF traffic. IMPORTANT UPDATECHECK OUT UPDATE III AND IV BELOW!POSSIBLE ALTERATIONS DONE TO ORIGINAL EMAILS!END UPDATETom Maguire from JustOneMinute, Rick Moran from Rightwing Nuthouse, and Clarice Feldman from The American Thinker have been doing some wonderful research on the suspicious way in which this story took fire. In my earlier post I delved into the fact that the liberal group CREW had a big hand in getting the IM’s out. Now Rick has done some research on the website that supposedly broke the story:Stop Sex Predators came on line in late July with one post announcing its intention to “serve as a clearing house for the public to report sex predators and as a resource for concerned parents and citizens.”The next blog post wasn’t until August 17th where the writer listed in a rather desultory manner some more notable sex predators. After that, two posts on August 26.[…]The fourth and last post for the entire month of August was a cut and paste from Wikpedia of the Gary Condit affair. More “political predators” on a site dedicated to sex predators in general? Why?Then in September there were two more posts until Sept 21st where Foley is mentioned for the first time.I have been away for a while, so please accept my apologies for the lack of blog posts. BUT….while I was away, the blog has been noticed and some shocking emails have been received! I can hardly believe it! I’m posting each one below. It’s proof that the Congressional Corruption of the past is alive and well today. It’s up to us to expose it and stop this predatory harassment! Please promote the blog and email any further information to stopsexpredators@gmail.com . Together we will make a difference!Rick asks the same thing any of us would. How in the world did someone “notice” this blog with all of 6 posts and only started in July? How far down in google do you think this blog would be? Waaaaaay down.Why would anyone notice this blog? It has posted nothing original in its short existence. The rare postings means that it has not built up any audience whatsoever. The first Technorati reference to the blog is from two days ago. Even a Google search doesn’t show it on the first 10 pages when searching for “Stop Sex Predators.”And yet, 3 separate people who had contact with Congressman Foley somehow found this website independent of one another and supposedly sent emails to the owner of this site to complain about Foley’s inappropriate behavior.Possible? Yes. Probable? I’ll let you decide.I hearby declare shananigans…..get your broomsticks fellas.That’s not all of it, apparently some commentors to JustOneMinute believe they know who the owner of the blog is, one Jason Leopold:Clarice informs me that an old friend might be behind the Stop Sex Predators blog:One of the JOM (Just One Minute) posters who’s been paying attention thinks Jason Leopold is the owner of stopsexpredators. The only place we can find a link to the story is another site (from the desk of patrick J fitzgerald which we also think is Leopold) Leopold you may recall was writing all those crazy stories for Truthout including the one that Rove was indicted and the indictment would be unsealed in 24 hours.Highly speculative, but it fits. Leopold would have been able to make CREW aware of the emails published on the blog. Here’s ABC News on the genesis of the story:Yesterday, we asked the congressman about some much tamer e-mails from one page, and he said he was just being overly friendly. After we posted that story online, we began to hear from a number of other pages who sent these much more explicit, instant messages. When the congressman realized we had them, he resigned.Instant messages not emails. As ABC makes clear, there are two different stories. The question is, how many sources?Anyone have a feeling this is going to come back to bite the Democrats once more?UPDATEGuess what Brian Ross just posted, that Foley was known to be gay and the staff there told the pages to ignore his friendly behavior.A Republican staff member warned congressional pages five years ago to watch out for Congressman Mark Foley, according to a former page.Matthew Loraditch, a page in the 2001-2002 class, told ABC News he and other pages were warned about Foley by a supervisor in the House Clerk’s office.Loraditch, the president of the Page Alumni Association, said the pages were told “don’t get too wrapped up in him being too nice to you and all that kind of stuff.”[…]Loraditch says that some of the pages who “interacted” with Foley were hesitant to report his behavior because “members of Congress, they’ve got the power.” Many of the pages were hoping for careers in politics and feared Foley might seek retribution.Where in the world are the Democrats going to end up on this? Will they now come out against gays? Do they know that apparently in DC the age of consent is 16? Using your power to gain sexual favors (which there is no evidence that sex ever occurred with these pages) is horrible and he should have resigned, as he did.Unlike a certain Democrat…cough Clinton cough.UPDATE IIRay Robison notices the difference in reporting by our MSM outfits when it comes to a Republican.UPDATE III 2050hrs PSTAn important update here. Just Barking Mad has found that at least one of the emails in question have been altered by someone.Just Barking Mad found this email on that blog Stop Sex Predators:All fine and dandy. But check out the release from CREW, from page 5 of their release:Same exact email based on the narrative but a different subject line….Like I said, FoleyGate has begun.UPDATE IV 2105hrs PSTChecking on this alteration thing and it appears that the PDF from CREW is a forwarded message from the kid with him cutting and pasting text and omitting the header information. The only one with header information is the first one on Page 4.But this doesn’t explain how the emails looked as they did on the Stop Sex Predators blog. Did he cut and paste the header from Page 4 of the PDF and made the other emails look like that one?Smells fishy in Wonderland Alice.UPDATE V 2240hrs PSTApparently Wild Bill from Smoke Signals Blog has discovered who the IM’s were sent to and is asking for a response. From the IM’s it appears the interaction was not against his will so I doubt we will find out anything new if he does respond but alas, it’s worth a try.UPDATE VI 2245hrs PSTThis NYT’s article gives another side of Mr. Foley huh?In the hierarchy of Congress, the high school students who serve as Congressional pages fall somewhere near the bottom, seemingly invisible as they scurry through the hallways of the Capitol ferrying messages to powerful lawmakers who often fail to give them a second glance.In that rarefied world, Representative Mark Foley, the silver-haired Republican from Florida, stood out.He took pains to befriend the 16- and 17-year-old aides, several former pages said in interviews on Sunday. He chatted with them on the House floor, they said, sent handwritten notes and urged them to keep in touch when they left Washington for their hometowns.In 2002, he even stood up on the floor of the House, his eyes welling with tears, and commended the young men and women for their year of service. In his speech, Mr. Foley mentioned several of the high school students by name, describing a handwritten note to celebrate one young man’s graduation and a lunch with another at Morton’s steak house.Now I’m sure at this point many of you are saying, “well, he was so nice because he wanted to get in bed with them”But if he was gay how do you explain female pages giving the same stories?Ashley Gallo, a 21-year-old former page who is now a senior at Western Michigan University, said on Sunda
y that many of her friends had viewed Mr. Foley as one of the few lawmakers who made a real effort to reach out to young people.“You didn’t have a lot of interaction with the members because most of them treated you like a kid, but he was pretty friendly,” said Ms. Gallo, who served as a page in 2001. “He would talk to people,” she said.“He would say, ‘Here’s my e-mail address if you want to keep in touch.’ I don’t think anyone thought anything of it. They saw him as a mentor or a reference.”The article goes on to detail other male pages who never experienced inappropiate contact from Mr. Foley.The sound your hearing is the sound of a scandal slowly coming to a stop and going in reverse.The article goes on to detail other male pages who never experienced inappropiate contact from Mr. Foley.The sound your hearing is the sound of a scandal slowly coming to a stop and going in reverse.UPDATE VII 2300hrs PSTYou know I’m at a loss to explain this other NYT’s article in which they go into any possible laws Foley may have broken. The writer explains that emails and IM’s involve no contact so they can be difficult to prosecute but:In the absence of physical contact, said Douglas A. Berman, a law professor at Ohio State University, some prosecutors reviewing e-mail messages like Mr. Foley’s “could say, ‘This is really gross, I need to take a shower,’ but not charge” the sender with a crime.But Professor Berman added, “There are cases in which people have done stuff that is not significantly worse and have had the book thrown at them.”Earlier this year, for instance, the Arizona Supreme Court upheld a 200-year sentence for a former Phoenix high school teacher convicted of possessing child pornography. The teacher, Morton R. Berger, was not charged with transmitting pornography or with having unlawful contact with minors.WTF! Ok now, emailing and IM’ing someone over the age of 16 (age of consent in DC) about sex is one thing but to compare it to child pornography is outrageous. Yes, what Mr. Foley did was morally wrong in my book but the teacher the Times compares him to, Mr. Morton Berger, possessed the following:Specifically, he was charged with possession of 20 photographs depicting, among other things, children being raped by adults, children engaging in sexual acts with other children, and children in sexual acts with animals.More:Morton R. Berger, who was a history teacher at Cortez High School, was arrested four years ago based on his possession of photographs, computer video files and computer photo files of children, all younger than 15, in sex acts. Prosecutors dismissed 15 counts but got convictions on the remaining 20.A bit different then sending consensual emails with someone over the age of consent don’t you think? It appears the Times does not agree….big surprise there.UPDATE VIII 2315hrs PSTWild Bill has posted a copy of each one of the disputed emails with the differences pointed out:First the one from CREW:And now the one from SSP:You know it almost looks like the author of SSP was read the email, maybe over the phone, and tried to produce something that looked like a faxed copy. Thing is he forgot all the little stuff.UPDATE IX 2358hrs PSTOk, last update for the night..gonna hit the sack. But I just had to highlight this statement from the executive director of CREW:Melanie Sloan, CREW’s executive director, said today, “It is horrifying to learn that some members of Congress were more concerned with covering up a potentially embarrassing situation than with protecting the teenage pages.” Sloan continued, “the American people, and particularly the parents of other pages, have a right to know if congressional leaders put politics above the safety of children.”More horrifying is that this organization apparently knew of these allegations and emails over the whole summer but choose the end of September to start the presskreig…..putting all these kids at risk so they could come up with their October Surprise.How special.UPDATE X 10/2/06 1430hrs PSTSince I have been unable to post updates due to server problems what with the huge amount of traffic from LGF it seems I have missed quite a bit.Macranger has found that the owner of BlogActive.net and the owner of SSP may be one in the same:They’re may be a possibilty that the one who runs Blog Active.com, and the one who runs Stop Sex Predators may be one in the same. That may be Mike Rogers, the infamous Gay Republican Outer. [...]
A Blog For All
October 2nd, 2006 at 5:53 pm
12The Foley Scandal Grows…
The fallout from the Mark Foley scandal grows in many directions - from the political to the criminal. The Florida GOP has decided upon a replacement for Mark Foley. He’s three-term state legislator Joe Negron. Mark Foley, meanwhile has entered a reh….
Sarah Green
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:24 am
13Have you noticed that all the comments on Stop Sex Predators have been removed?
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave » Blog Archive » Dizzy From The Foley Gate Spin
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:44 pm
14[...] Foley setup? - Part I, Macranger, October 2, 2006, Macsmind. [...]
Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » The Foley Scandal Redux
October 4th, 2006 at 10:44 am
15[...] And then we have this by Gateway Pundit: Radical Gay Rights Activists held on to information about Representative Foley for months and years. These “Rights Activists” knew that representative Foley had relationships with “young men less than half his age.” They did their own investigation on Foley. They even flew in their sources in to be interviewed about the Representative. They shared this information with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They held on to the information for over a year. They wrote about how they would break the story at midterm elections. [...]
The Real Ugly American.com » Blog Archive » Greenwald’s latest hate filled post
October 4th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
16[...] Gateway Pundit is reporting this:¬† Radical Gay Rights Activists held on to information about Representative Foley for months and years. These “Rights Activists” knew that representative Foley had relationships with “young men less than half his age.” They did their own investigation on Foley. They even flew in their sources in to be interviewed about the Representative. They shared this information with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They held on to the information for over a year. They wrote about how they would break the story at midterm elections.¬† [...]
Americas North Shore Journal
October 4th, 2006 at 7:12 pm
17[...] Gateway Pundit is among the leaders in exploring the plot by gay activists and the Democratic Party to create this scandal right now by covering up the facts for nearly a year. Radical Gay Rights Activists held on to information about Representative Foley for months and years. These “Rights Activists” knew that representative Foley had relationships with “young men less than half his age.” They did their own investigation on Foley. They even flew in their sources in to be interviewed about the Representative. They shared this information with the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. They held on to the information for over a year. They wrote about how they would break the story at midterm elections. [...]
A Second Hand Conjecture » As The Worm Turns
October 4th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
18[...] (3) The second betrayal of the pages used by Foley, this time by those who withheld pertinent information for political purposes, and those who now are using the plight of those pages to bash the entire Republican Party. [...]
Maf54, Where Are You? at Blog P.I.
October 8th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
19[...] Speaking of bad advice, attempts to quibble over the age question don’t seem likely either to make the story go away any faster or to make Foley suddenly appear sympathetic. Also, it’s hard to see the percentage in fretting over the fact that Democrats get as much electoral mileage as they can out of the erstwhile Maf54’s astonishing lack of discretion or propriety. Why shouldn’t they? Politics is full of lemons, but on those rare occasions when you’re handed a glass of lemonade, the thing is to enjoy drinking it. [...]
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