Per MSNBC:
“U.S. military officials tell NBC News they had ‚Äúhigh-level‚Äù Taliban fighters in their gunsights during a July reconnaissance flight but decided not to fire. The decision to pass on the target angered some in the military, but commanders say they have ‚Äúno regrets.‚Äù
Army intelligence officers say the grainy black-and-white aerial photo taken by a Predator drone and obtained by NBC News on Tuesday shows some 190 suspected Taliban militants standing in several rows near a vehicle in an open field in Afghanistan.
The military said Wednesday that the group seen in the Predator image was likely gathered for a religious ceremony….
Intelligence officers monitoring the footage captured by the armed, unmanned aircraft tell NBC News they were prepared to fire but were prevented from doing so by military rules of engagement that prohibit waging war in a cemetery.
Such rules are in place in an effort to minimize collateral damage, the killing of innocent civilians or destruction of sensitive targets, such as religious sites.
“During the observation of the group over a significant period of time, it was determined that the group was located on the grounds of a cemetery and were likely conducting a funeral for Taliban insurgents killed in a coalition operation nearby earlier in the day,” a coalition spokesperson said. “A decision was made not to strike this group of insurgents at that specific location and time.”
Rules of war are a bitch at times I know, especially when we are the only country that follows them. Still, after checking around I believe this was the right decision as no doubt (while not said here), the whereabouts of these terrorists as scouts have been keeping an eye on them since, and that may be why they were left untouched. In other words more valuable if left in play.
No doubt some on the left will make the comparison to this incident and the one that Clinton passed up in 2000that would have nailed Bin Ladin. But they are not the same as the latter which was a positive target ID, which this was not. The article I read said “suspected taliban”, and positive target ID is essential.
I additionally would caution against people getting in an uproar about this. For those of us who have been in these “engagement decisions”, the line isn’t always as clear as it would seem.
Yeah a target may live to kick the crap out you another day, and then again they can lead you to bigger and brighter streams of promise.
At this point - minus other information for more informed sources than the MSM, I’m holding out judgment for now. Kerry Sanders is a homeboy and will report the story on the up and up, you can follow his blog here.
One of the comments give some thought to ponder as well:
“I wonder — if we did bomb the Taliban shown in this picture, how would NBC and other media outlets report the attack. Would they report how horrible America is for bombing the Taliban while they were attending a funeral.”
Think about it.
UPDATE: Watching the “experts” on TV this morning telling newshounds that there is no rule of engagement that prohibits hitting the enemy while they are at a funeral. Well, that is true, but then ROE are most times fluid. Look, no doubt this will get debated ad naseus (should have/shouldn’t have). Personally, I would have released the package (if in fact the Predator was loaded). Fog of war, dumb mistakes, move on. Learn from it.
Here you go, via this site, good breakdown on the reality of ROE.
Scenario: A PFC is walking down the road to a porta potty and is confronted with a 10-year old boy in enemy territory pointing a gun at him.
1. The soldier will request permission to fire from his platoon sergeant.
2. The platoon sergeant will ask the platoon leader.
3. The platoon leader will ask the company commander. The CO will call the battalion commander and ask for permission to fire.
4. The Bn Cdr will call the Bde Cdr to get permission to fire.
5. The Bde Cdr will call division and speak to a person in the G3 shop.
6. The G3 personnel will immediately start working on a slide presentation in powerpoint to present to the Commanding General on his options.
7. The slides will first be briefed to the Chief of Staff and will be sent back for revisions.
8. After 90 different versions have been completed, the Chief of Staff will finally approve the slides.
9. The CG will be presented slide presentation and will call Corps to ask the corps commander for permission to fire.
10. The G3 staff will fax a copy of the presentation to the corps G3 who will in turn ask for a copy to be sent by courier because the first copy got sent to the wrong fax number.
11. The poor captain who sent the fax to corps will be given a bad OER because he should have known that the fax number given to him by a colonel at corps was the wrong number.
12. Corps G3 finally receives the slide presentation and has his staff work on a corps presentation to give to the corps commander.
13. The corps commander is briefed, accepts his staffs proposal that the soldier should fire back, but has to call the Army commander to get permission.
14. The Army commander asks the corps commander to fax him all the information he has on the incident and he will get back to him.
15. The Army commander never receives the information.
16. Division is notified that the information did not reach Army so that poor captain with the bad OER is ordered to fax a copy of the slides to Army, the Pentagon, and the White House.
17. The Army commander finally receives the slides and says he will have to call the Army group commander for permission to fire.
18. The Army Group commander listens to the Army commander then tells him that he will have to call the Pentagon to get permission to fire.
19. The Army Group Commander calls the Pentagon and speaks with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The Chairman wants to know why some know-nothing captain from a division in theater is faxing a 200 page slide presentation to him and the president.
20. The Army Group commander tells the Chairman he will find out.
21. The Army Group commander calls the Army commander and asks why Captain Know-Nothing is faxing slides to the Pentagon and the White House.
22. The Army commander calls the corps commander and asks the same question.
23. The corps commander gets personally involved and calls directly to the division’s G3 shop and asks to speak to CPT Know-Nothing.
24. CPT Know-Nothing is given another bad OER and is reassigned to sewage control in a prisoner of war camp.
25. The Army group commander informs the Chairman that the problem is taken care of.
26. The Chairman tells the Army Group commander that he will get back to him after he holds a meeting with all of the service chiefs.
27. During the meeting, the Air Force and Navy Chiefs decide they want a part in this decision now code-named “Operation Return Fire”
28. The Chairman agrees to allow the Air Force to send two tactical fighter wings and 10 B-52s from Diego Garcia. The Chairman allows the Navy to send in 5 carrier battle groups and 3 Marine divisions. On top of all of this, the Chairman tells the service chiefs that the Army will send in two more corps, five brigades of Artillery and an armored cavalry regiment. Furthermore he will ask the Secretary of defense if 500,000 Reservist and National Guardsmen can be called up.
29. The Chairman takes all of these proposals to the Secretary of Defense who agrees and tells the Chairman to prepare a briefing for the President.
30. A colonel stays up for a week straight preparing briefing slides and charts for the President’s briefing.
31. The day of the briefing, the light bulb burns out in the White House’s projector and the colonel who worked his butt off to set up this briefing loses the command he was going to take over this summer and is forced to retire because he should have known that the light bulb would burn out.
32. Eventually a lieutenant colonel locates a light bulb and he is promoted to colonel and is offered a command this summer that suddenly becomes open.
33. The president approves Operation Return Fire, but first he wants to get “eyes on the target”
34. Navy Seal Team 6 is dispatched to the area. Upon reaching the location where the soldier reported the contact, they find the decomposed body of a dead American PFC, still clutching a hand mike to his ear, looking as if he is waiting for a response to whatever question he asked.
Any questions?
UPDATE: Bluto at Jawa Report seconds my point, you can thank the MSM for this.
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Right Truth
September 13th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
1It wasn’t the rules of engagement for Taliban…
The military had 190 Taliban leaders in it’s crosshairs today, but didn’t take them out. Why? It was NOT because of their ‘rules of engagement’ as initially reported. The true reason is because a high-ranking government official in Washington made…
shield
September 13th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
2Speaking of troops…there’s a blood shortage for our troops.
So go out and donate.
http://www.militaryblood.dod.mil/
“ABC has an agreement with the U.S. military to provide blood support for ‚Äúcontingency operations‚Äù ‚Äì defined as military, humanitarian or peacekeeping operations ‚Äì when requested by the Department of Defense. The original agreement between ABC and the military was set up in early 2003 to support U.S. troops in the Iraqi invasion.”
There is a link at the bottom of the left column to find your local blood center.
http://www.americasblood.org/go.cfm?do=Page.View&pid=345
DaleinAtlanta
September 14th, 2006 at 7:41 am
3It’s a frustrating story, and a no-win situation for the military, you are right Mac!
If we’d bombed them, the MSM and the Leftists would’ve been all over, as proof that
a) Afghanistan is “lost” and b) more “War Crimes” committed by Bush/Cheney/Halliburton
The MSM would’ve lead the propaganda brigade, and UBL/Zawahiri, would’ve released another audio/video tape, extolling both a) the new “martrys” and b) threatening to set the Crusader Zionist “pigs” on fire for killing them! (talk about having it both ways; they want to die, and go to “heaven”, and when we kill them, they threaten retaliation!)
Now, that the bombing didn’t take place; the Anti-War crowd (isn’t that the ones who don’t belive in War??), are leading the charge, to criticize the very same ROE, they forced on us, because of things like Abu Ghraib, etc.
BTW, these are the same “anti-War” Leftists, who criticize Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield, for “not enough troops..”
I’ve finally figured it out, to be a good “Leftist/Liberal/Democrat”; you have to Psycho, Schizoid, Manic-Depressive, Excessive-Compulsive, and a Hypocrite!
But, at least you feel good about yourself!
owl
September 14th, 2006 at 7:47 am
4Don’t know if true because hearing it both ways from media….but possibly the drone was not armed.
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