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Qana – Part II

2 August 2006 No Comment

According to the Israeli news site Haaretz, IAF officials now say that that no missles were fired from that apartment complex that was destroyed over the weekend, killing at least 30.

“The deaths of dozens of civilians in an Israel Air Force attack on the southern Lebanese village of Qana marked a significant diplomatic turning point against Israel, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Tuesday.

The foreign minister said that following the events in Qana, Israel’s scope for political maneuvering had been reduced, as was the amount of European support Israel is receiving for its operation in Lebanese soil.

Livni said this change was exemplified in the “problematic” Russian and French stance towards Israel.

She said that despite the pictures of civilian casualties coming from Qana of it was important not to stray from implementing UN decision 1559.

The Association for Civil Rights in Israel on Tuesday urged Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to establish a state commission of inquiry into the killings at Qana.

As the Israel Air Force continues to investigate the air strike, questions have been raised over military accounts of the incident.

It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time.

The Israel Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday.

The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike.”

Ok, color me skeptical as after a slew of other reporting in the last few days to the contrary, this one story doesn’t necessary change my mind. Later we read:

“The IDF account and those of survivors present contradictory versions of the Qana deaths. The IDF said that there is an unexplained gap of about seven hours between the IAF strike and the first report that the building had collapsed. Residents’ accounts say only 10 minutes went by between the strike and the collapse.”

Again, we’ll wait for the IDF report, but a descrepancy between IAF and “residents” isn’t enough for my military mind to call it a day. Again the evidence presented over the weekend coupled without much more compelling testimony from those on the ground lends to the fact of some type Hezbollah involvement.

Rick Moran nonetheless cautions bloggers on the “Hezbollah did it meme”:

“First and foremost, those who are blogging this story should step back for a while and wait for the IDF report on the tragedy which should be forthcoming in the next couple of days. This appears to be one of those stories where the bloggers got ahead of the curve of information so far that speculation took on a life of its own and ended up making some wish they had held their fire.”

Perhaps, but again, I’m not a ready to accept this one story, accurate as it may be, as a complete reversal of the previous accounts, and thus call off the dogs. “If it walks like a duck……”

Secondly, while errant bombing happens, targeted munition strikes are pretty precise and hit their intended targets more often that not. If Israel targeted the building, then they most likely had good info on it, regardless if a missle fired that day or not, it had been fired from that vicinity in the past.

Again, let’s not forget that no one can dispute the fact that Hezbollah was in the neighborhood and in fact is weaved throughout Lebanon, and that is what is going to make this war a hard thing for those not accustomed to watching it. While I hope not, there might be a few more Qana’s to come. Like it or not even the best surgeon when they remove a cancer also remove good tissue surrounding it.

Israel is performing radical surgery.

The real danger is that in any modern war the horrors of the battle field are not going to translate well into the living room. It’s always going to look bad. When you have twenty-four hour wall to wall news coverage with the typical analysis/over analysis EVERYTHING get’s mucked up, and quite frankly it’s not intended to be “viewer friendly”. But you could imagine what modern day coverage would do to the Hiroshima or Nagasaki bombings of WWII. It would be brutal.

That point being made, as I eluded to, people better get used to the fact that Israel – in spite of thinking to the contrary, or even “world opinion”, isn’t going to stop until they have finished the job they have begun. They simply cannot afford to back down now. Michael Lopez-Calderon in American Thinker writes

“Over whatever time remains before the conflict is forced to end, the IDF will take apart the Hezbollah terrorist-guerrillas that made the ultimate error of remaining in fixed positions. It is Hezbollah that is stoked in the passions and delusions of over-confidence. If Hezbollah takes comfort from fighting in fixed positions, they need only brush up on Napoleon, who said ‚Äúthe army that remains in its forts is beaten.‚Äù Or perhaps read up on how General Kuribayashi Tadamichi‚Äôs Japanese force of 21,000 at Iwo Jima was reduced by the United States Marines to just over 120 POWs (an additional 900 wounded were captured).

IDF Brig. Gen. Gal Hirsch, commander of the Galilee Division, summed up Israel’s piecemeal, probing strikes:

“When you fight a regular army, it’s different from fighting guerrillas. They are using everything they have extensively. They have been preparing for this for many years, and we are taking action to dismantle all of that. The government has given me plenty of time, and I intend to use it as long as it takes.”

This isn’t a “weekend war”, it’s only the beginning.

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  • The Strata-Sphere » Blog Archive » Wait And See On Qana said:

    [...] Mac Ranger and Rick Moran note changes in the IDF account surrounding Qana and Rick is suggesting caution. I agree, we need to get a clearer picture. But the lack of a rocket attack with in 24 hours of Israeli response is not going to be an indication of a mistake by the IDF. As I noted when the video came out of Hezbollah rocket launchers, that video shows Israeli special forces scouting out and recording Hezbollah sites. The video seems to be taken from a few kilometers away and on a nearby hill. With boots on the ground and evidence of this detail I would posit that the IDF is working on the best intel available, and putting their best soldiers at risk to get the intel and avoid civilians. Wait and see the final report? Sure. Believe Hezbollah over IDF? Doubtful. [...]

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  • Redhead Infidel said:

    I, too, have a problem with the many contradictions and sloppy statements in the Haaretz article. I wrote to the three reporters to request clarifications on the following:

    1. “…the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time.”

    Does that mean there WERE NONE, or that they just didn’t have the info to give to you?

    2. “However, it [IAF] changed its version on Monday.”

    How so? No one disputes that over 150 rockets have been launched from Qana in the preceding 20 days.

    3. “However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike.”

    The strike occured between midnight and 1:00 a.m. Are you trying to say that there were no rocket launches from Qana on the previous day, or as you wrote, the actual “day of the strike” – ie: after midnight? It is quite possible that there were no rocket launches between midnight and the time of the Israeli strike – a matter of minutes. So, technically, your statement is correct, but disingenuous. Either you are being deliberately misleading, or none of you are very precise and accurate writers.

    4. Your report is contradictory. First you say “The survivors say rescue teams arrived only in the morning, as night conditions made the rescue mission difficult.” but then you say “…the electricity and phones in the village of Qana were almost entirely cut-off by IAF attacks.” Is that so? Apparently NOT, since they were able to make the call anyways. So which is it? Did the rescue teams get a call at night, but they couldn’t make it because of the dark, or did they get the call in the morning??? You can’t have it both ways. In either case, you are wrong, the phones were working. It only matters when the calls were made.

    5. “The IDF provided no explanation for the second explosion…”

    What second explosion? Either the building collapsed at midnight due to an IAF strike, and the rescue teams couldn’t make it because it was tragically so dark; OR, the building collapsed in the morning, having nothing to do with the IAF strike.

    6. “The IAF admits the village was struck three times between Saturday night and Sunday morning.”

    I take issue with your loaded use of the negative word “admits”. A more accurate word would have been “confirms”.

    I find this particular article to be a sloppy bit of reporting. One would hope that between the three of you, you could apply a little more logic. You’re not asking the right questions, you’re citing questionable and unnamed sources, and your semantics seem deliberately chosen to paint a highly negative picture of the IDF and IAF.

    By the way, did you know that the anti-Israeli left is now using this exact article as their “proof” of evil Israeli intent and a cover-up? Not well played, Yoav, Yuval, and Amos – not well played, at all.

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